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In article <133250ldlldu5dc@corp.supernews.com>,
syscjm@sumire.eng.sun.com (Chris Mattern) wrote:
| Quote: | Neither security companies or Republican poll watchers even begin to
qualify as the new Brownshirts.
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Jonathan N. Little
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:52 am |
| Post subject: Re: Fading Rotation Script That Displays HTML |
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Fred wrote:
| Quote: | On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:57:58 -0500, Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com
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Fred wrote:
Well, I'd like to have 3 or 4 separate text messages that will sit on
a backround image. The text will fade (I'd like the fade to be slow
and smooth) from one message to the next.
Please don't do this.
What if the user isn't done reading a message before it starts
disappearing? Do you think they'll have the patience to wait for it to
come around again? What if they are done reading it long before the next
one starts coming in? Do you want them to sit there and wait until *you*
think it's time to continue?
If you want something to be read, don't make it a moving target.
Berg,
I think your are correct in your statement.
How about presenting a diferent text message on page refresh.
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Page 1 with a link to Page 2 when the user finishes reading Page 1. Page
2 with a link to Page 3 when the user finishes reading Page 2 or a link
back to Page 1 in case he missed something...
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Take care,
Jonathan
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:16 am |
| Post subject: Re: A fascist America, in 10 easy steps |
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<kswymford@.com> wrote in message
news:4630b9a3$0$9942$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
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power of comprehension, however.
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I doubt it. |
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:37 am |
| Post subject: Re: IE7 - annoying and unexplainable horzontal scroll |
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In article <slrnf3283d.5hq.spamspam@bowser.marioworld>,
Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
| Quote: | On 2007-04-26, dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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The distinction that I was pointing out would then be applied to
within the class of bugs. At least the ones that do follow a
known logic can be dealt with if enough effort is assigned. Those
that do not follow a known logic can be split into a further two
types. One, those that do follow a logic but not a known one.
Two, those that don't follow a logic that can ever be learned in
an individual case.
Do you mean logic in the sense of something that the manifestation of
the bug follows? In other words, something related to reproducibility?
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Yes, that will do fine, reproducibility.
My speculation was also that there could be some surprising and
unwanted effects that are not in this class because they fall
under some part of chaotic events in the partly understood
technical sense that is discussed under Chaos Theory.
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:53 am |
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dorayme wrote:
| Quote: | In article <59bj1cF2j4oe2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com> wrote:
dorayme wrote:
I have been thinking lately that there is an
argument for making alt text somehow default to the img src name.
Oh yeah, "spacer.gif" is so useful.
Well, at least I gave some indication of argument for it in the
thread. I do not see any argument for yours.
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Your arguments on this subject are pretty weak, like your notion that
you can consider just about anything a strange form of tabular data if
you stretch the truth far enough. Sorry, but I have difficulty taking
you seriously. I probably should have ignored your post, but felt
compelled to remark on that particular statement.
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:29 am |
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In article <59dabhF2j8i7uU1@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com> wrote:
| Quote: | dorayme wrote:
In article <59bj1cF2j4oe2U1@mid.individual.net>,
Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com> wrote:
dorayme wrote:
I have been thinking lately that there is an
argument for making alt text somehow default to the img src name.
Oh yeah, "spacer.gif" is so useful.
Well, at least I gave some indication of argument for it in the
thread. I do not see any argument for yours.
Your arguments on this subject are pretty weak, like your notion that
you can consider just about anything a strange form of tabular data if
you stretch the truth far enough.
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You do not canvass the issue in any way, so I have no idea of
what you consider to be the important considerations in this
matter. A sure sign of bluster is irrelevant considerations in
another thread and personal attacks. What is it with you? Is it
so hard for you to be articulate about a suggestion made in good
faith?
I do not have a strong view on this issue of default, I tend to
think some clue is better than none in the event of a lazy author
and so tended to come down on the side of alt text defaulting to
the name of the image. So far I have had a personal attack on me
from you and a sarcastic remark about "spacer.gif".
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:17 pm |
| Post subject: Re: IE7 - annoying and unexplainable horzontal scroll |
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On 2007-04-27, dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
| Quote: | In article <slrnf3283d.5hq.spamspam@bowser.marioworld>,
Ben C <spamspam@spam.eggs> wrote:
On 2007-04-26, dorayme <doraymeRidThis@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
[...]
The distinction that I was pointing out would then be applied to
within the class of bugs. At least the ones that do follow a
known logic can be dealt with if enough effort is assigned. Those
that do not follow a known logic can be split into a further two
types. One, those that do follow a logic but not a known one.
Two, those that don't follow a logic that can ever be learned in
an individual case.
Do you mean logic in the sense of something that the manifestation of
the bug follows? In other words, something related to reproducibility?
Yes, that will do fine, reproducibility.
My speculation was also that there could be some surprising and
unwanted effects that are not in this class because they fall
under some part of chaotic events in the partly understood
technical sense that is discussed under Chaos Theory.
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Certainly, especially when the bug is related to uninitialized memory or
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Michael
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:57 pm |
| Post subject: Re: Login page perl/CGI |
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Why dont you try in alt.comp.lang.perl, for example?
This doesn't really seem like a HTML problem.
Cheers
Michael.
"sandy" <sandip.bhosale@gmail.com> schreef in bericht
news:1177653348.821250.176140@n15g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
| Quote: | hello,,,,,,,,,
i am creating login page using Perl/CGI facing prob... able to
connect DB but from there facing prob
If u have related code of login page in Perl please send me on
sandip.bhosale@gmail.com
please help me
i am using MySQL as DB user name:root password:root database name:ITS
and Table is User_login,
Column 1: User_Name
Column 2: User_Pass
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#!c:/perl/bin/perl.exe
use CGI qw(:standard);
use CGI::Carp qw(warning's fatalsToBrowser);
use strict;
use DBI;
print "Content-type: text/html\n\n";
print <<BodyHTML;
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "http://
www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd "
html lang="en" xml:lang="en" xmlns=" http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"
head
title>Registration Form</title
/head
body
form name = "login" action = "logincheck.cgi " method = "POST"
table
tr
td
User Name<br />(25 characters or less)
/td
td
Password<br />(8 - 15 alphanumeric characters)
/td
/tr
tr
td><input type = "text" name = "UserName" id = "UserName" size = "25"
maxlength = "25" tabindex = "0" /
/td
td><input type = "text" name = "Password" id = "Password" size = "15"
maxlength = "15" tabindex = "1" /
/tr
tr
td
input type = "submit" value = "Login" tabindex = "2" /
/td
/tr
tr
td
p>To register go to the <a href = "register.cgi">registration</a
page.</p
/td
/tr
/table
/form
BodyHTML
print end_html;
my $dbh = DBI->connect("DBI:mysql:database:localhost","its","root",
{ RaiseError => 1,
AutoCommit => 1 }) or &dienice("Can't connect to database:
$DBI::errstr");
my $UserName=param('UserName');
my $Password=param('Password');
my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select * from User_Login where User_Name
= ?") or &dbdie;
$sth->execute($UserName) or &dbdie;
if (my $name = $sth->fetchrow_hashref)
{
my $sth = $dbh->prepare("select * from user_Login where root = ?") or
&dbdie;
$sth->execute($Password) or &dbdie;
if (my $pass = $sth->fetchrow_hashref)
{
print redirect(- location=>"index.cgi");
}
else { &dienice(qq(The password is invalid. Go to the <a href =
"passreset.cgi">password reset</a> page to reset your password.)); }
}
else { &dienice(qq(Username does not exist. Go to the <a href = "
custreg.cgi">registration</a> page to register.)); }
$dbh->disconnect;
print end_html;
sub dienice {
my ($msg) = @_;
print "<h1>$msg</h1>";
exit;
}
sub dbdie {
my ($errmsg) = "$DBI::errstr<br />";
&dienice($errmsg);
}
Sandip B Bhosale.
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:38 pm |
| Post subject: Re: printing "sidenotes" in IE6/7 |
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Scripsit Ben C:
| Quote: | For me the essence of a table is that it represents some function of
two inputs.
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Markup is about relationships, not functions and input. A table is a data
structure, not a function. A table is logically a list of lists with the
same number of items and with some meaningful relationship across the inner
lists so that the n'th items in inner lists have some connection with each
other. For example, a simple table of results in a game, with names and
points scored by each player, is a two-item list where the n'th item of the
first list and the n'th item in the second list are connected so that the
former contains the name of a player and the latter the result of that
player. This is a logical (or abstract) structure and need not have any
visual manifestation; the table might be internal to a data base so that you
can only ask for a result by the player name and get a single result.
Similarly, a structure consisting of a list of paragraphs and a list of
annotations to them is a table purely logically. Admittedly, none of the
cells in it is a simple name-like thing, as the player names, by which you
could make queries. But this depends on the nature of the content.
| Quote: | So, for example, if I have "foods" in the rows, and
"vitamins" in the columns, I can lookup how much vitamin A in a
carrot, or C in an apple by reading the values of the function from
the table.
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(Off-topic: Carrots don't contain vitamin A; they contain provitamins from
which vitamin A may be produced by humans and other eaters.)
Besides, you could use lookup on the other columns as well, e.g. to find out
which food contains most vitamin C, or more than 50 mg / 100 g of it, or
something like that. You could do this with a program if you open the HTML
table in MS Excel for example. Some day some browser vendor might even get
the wild idea of letting users manipulate tables in a spreadsheet manner.
| Quote: | Annotating text with notes doesn't really have this characteristic,
although you could probably stretch the idea.
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There is no need to _stretch_. Lookup issues are not essential in tablehood,
and they depend on the nature of the content, among other things. For prose
content, you would just need different lookup methods, such as looking for
paragraphs (or notes) containing some specific words or patterns.
| Quote: | But, to answer your question, the table of vitamins and foods is
something that is more tabular.
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It's a more typical table, but not more of a table.
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 5:30 pm |
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On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 22:52:50 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
<lws4art@centralva.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Fred wrote:
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 10:57:58 -0500, Bergamot <bergamot@visi.com
wrote:
Fred wrote:
Well, I'd like to have 3 or 4 separate text messages that will sit on
a backround image. The text will fade (I'd like the fade to be slow
and smooth) from one message to the next.
Please don't do this.
What if the user isn't done reading a message before it starts
disappearing? Do you think they'll have the patience to wait for it to
come around again? What if they are done reading it long before the next
one starts coming in? Do you want them to sit there and wait until *you*
think it's time to continue?
If you want something to be read, don't make it a moving target.
Berg,
I think your are correct in your statement.
How about presenting a diferent text message on page refresh.
How would you approach that idea?
How about:
Page 1 with a link to Page 2 when the user finishes reading Page 1. Page
2 with a link to Page 3 when the user finishes reading Page 2 or a link
back to Page 1 in case he missed something...
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The text (copy) is very brief (under 20 words). They are testimonials
that are placed on a postit note grahic. There are over 10
testimonials.
These testimonials will reside on the front page. |
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Ben C
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:30 pm |
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On 2007-04-27, Jukka K. Korpela <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> wrote:
| Quote: | Scripsit Ben C:
For me the essence of a table is that it represents some function of
two inputs.
Markup is about relationships, not functions and input.
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Functions and input _are_ relationships.
| Quote: | A table is a data structure, not a function.
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I see no distinction at this level of abstraction (c.f. why many
programming languages use parentheses or brackets both for array
indexing and function calls).
| Quote: | A table is logically a list of lists with the same number of items and
with some meaningful relationship across the inner lists so that the
n'th items in inner lists have some connection with each other. For
example, a simple table of results in a game, with names and points
scored by each player, is a two-item list where the n'th item of the
first list and the n'th item in the second list are connected so that
the former contains the name of a player and the latter the result of
that player.
This is a logical (or abstract) structure and need not have any
visual manifestation
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Certainly. Not to be confused with "table" in "display: table" which is
of course a completely different use of the word from "table" in
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Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:43 pm |
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Fred wrote:
| Quote: | The text (copy) is very brief (under 20 words). They are testimonials
that are placed on a postit note grahic. There are over 10
testimonials.
These testimonials will reside on the front page.
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Flash is your best solution.
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Take care,
Jonathan
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:36 am |
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:43:00 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
<lws4art@centralva.net> wrote:
| Quote: | Fred wrote:
The text (copy) is very brief (under 20 words). They are testimonials
that are placed on a postit note grahic. There are over 10
testimonials.
These testimonials will reside on the front page.
Flash is your best solution.
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Much thanks!
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:56 am |
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In article <TmkYh.44722$YY7.25263@reader1.news.saunalahti.fi>,
"Jukka K. Korpela" <jkorpela@cs.tut.fi> wrote:
| Quote: | A table is logically a list of lists
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A table certainly contains lists. It may even contain a list of
lists. But, I am having trouble believing it is (logically) a
list of lists. I am not sure. But I cannot rule it out as there
may be a way of so arguing your statement.
A list of lists in the sense in which we have become familiar on
this newsgroup would perhaps be a nested list. A nested list
further details or shows associations of particular list items in
the nest.
In a simple table, I can almost persuade myself:
Deborah 28
Fred 39
Alice 84
looks logically to display the same content and relationships as
Deborah
28
Fred
39
Alice
84
But you only have to add another column in addition to age, say,
place of birth, to experience difficulties in this.
So, I would say that a table is something basic in the scheme of
things or at least it is not easily reduced in thought to the
notion of lists (though you are quite right to think they are an
essential part of the idea). A table, like no other thing,
displays relationships. It can have or have implied, captions and
headings and these play a crucial role.
But, as I say, it is possible someone might argue your statement
in a persuasive way that at the moment eludes me.
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same number of items and with some meaningful relationship across the inner
lists so that the n'th items in inner lists have some connection with each
other. For example, a simple table of results in a game, with names and
points scored by each player, is a two-item list where the n'th item of the
first list and the n'th item in the second list are connected so that the
former contains the name of a player and the latter the result of that
player.
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Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:59 am |
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dorayme wrote:
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You do not canvass the issue in any way, so I have no idea of
what you consider to be the important considerations in this
matter.
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I have no desire to debate with you on the issue of alt text.
| Quote: | So far I have had a personal attack on me
from you
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It was intended as an attack on your ideas, but I see that it could
easily have been taken personally. I'll try to remember to choose my
words more carefully next time.
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